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Why Health Care is Organized Crime The real reason why health care reform has stalled is because too many people are getting rich. * By: Natalie Hopkinson | Posted: September 1, 2009 at 6:38 AM Published on The Root (http://www.theroot.com) Why Health Care is Organized Crime The real reason why health care reform has stalled is because too many people are getting rich. Natalie.Hopkinson She had been ignoring signs of cancer for months. A relative of mine (I’ll call her “Mary”) had no health insurance. Self-employed, she made too much money to qualify for public health programs for the poor, but she did not make enough money to pay for private insurance. When debilitating pain rendered her unable to work, she finally consulted a well-regarded private surgeon. The diagnosis: She had eight months to live if she did not have a cancerous organ removed. To schedule the surgery, the doctor needed $8,000 in cash. Upfront. Two months later, the doctor’s office called to follow up. “Have you decided what you’re going to do?” the billing office asked. Mary rolled her eyes. Yes, she had decided what she was going to do. For her and many Americans without health insurance, that meant driving to the nearest emergency room where, by law, patients can’t be turned away. It meant holding her ground against doctors who tried to send her home, until one finally agreed to perform the surgery. It was a humiliating process, but the government eventually picked up the tab. I’ve been thinking about Mary a lot this summer as I’ve watched the bizarre and sinister turn that the debate over universal health care has taken in the U.S. It’s been a surreal spectacle: Hordes of Republican-backed activists, eyes-bulging, picket sign-wielding, shouting down public officials at town hall meetings to discuss the plans to provide health insurance for every American. “Keep your effing doctors!” the crowds are screaming. “I don’t want the government involved in my stinking health care!” The hatred and passion is real, and given all the people I know who are affected by this problem, it feels personal. The irony is that the government is paying for their stinking doctors—only at a much higher moral and financial cost. Taxpayers have shelled out more than $150,000 and counting for Mary’s care—all for a cancer that could have easily been prevented and treated with a routine doctor’s visit. Truth is, America is a wealthy country and can afford to pay for health care. The sad fact is that the inefficiencies and vagaries of the current system are the stuff that American-style capitalism thrives on. The status quo is making a lot of people rich; the doctors, the drug companies, the lawyers, the lobbyists are all getting paid. My neighbor Mark puts it best: “The problem with our health care system is that it’s organized crime.” Indeed, medical scans that would cost Mary $1,350 out of pocket, companies are billing the government for $3,000. Two anti-nausea pills alone cost $400; a post-chemotherapy injection to boost blood cells runs the government $7,000 a pop. Many of the drug companies are based here in the U.S., and they get away with charging these exorbitant prices for their products because they can. In places such as Canada and Europe where there is a public health care system, the government is able to negotiate lower costs for the same drugs. Not so here in the U.S., where the hodgepodge health care system is like the Wild Wild West, creating boom times for the U.S. pharmaceutical industry. This mob is armed with fancy degrees, big suits and bigger expense accounts. They are the lobbyists shaking down insurance companies to the tune of $1.5 million per day to persuade Congress to scuttle Obama’s efforts to fix the health care system. They are the trial lawyers, whose ambulance-chasing drives up the costs of practicing medicine so much that a private doctor literally cannot afford to perform a surgery on a dying woman, lest they be subjected to lawsuits if something goes wrong. The very night that the ailing health care lion Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy died, the Democratic operative and physician Howard Dean conceded the fight against these legal henchmen at a rowdy public health care forum in Virginia. Dean said the proposal in Congress doesn't include tort (legal) reform because "this bill has enough enemies. The people who wrote it did not want to take on the trial lawyers in addition to everyone else." Vito Corleone would be so proud. And of course, as we are seeing from these raucous town hall meetings, the slickest gangsters are the conservative operatives who prey on the fears of ordinary Americans. They are stoking racial fears about President Obama’s big government and managed the neat trick of convincing working class white people to take to the streets to defend a system that only makes them sicker and the health care mafia richer. That’s America. Five months after her initial diagnosis, Mary managed to get publicly funded health insurance meant for the poor. (How did she do it? Don’t ask.) A doctor-friend told me getting public funding to cover costs for a catastrophic illness always works out better than the alternative; had Mary had private insurance, paying the deductibles for post-surgery cancer treatments would have likely left her bankrupt and probably homeless. The choice was between bad and worse. Unfortunately in America, these are your choices if you decide you want to live. Natalie Hopkinson is associate editor of The Root. A version of this essay first appeared in the BBC Focus on Africa magazine.
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I really don't understand why people are against "obamacare" granted I haven't read the details, but anything that would shake out to be cheaper without have to make those runs to the ER like Mary had to, has got to be better than now. Even with insurance the cost of a doctor's visit is outrageous and then prescription or lab costs on top of that? Its better to be poor because you can "get away" with cheaper services. Its sad but true.
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I still count my blessings over the health care system that exists and the access that we have to medical care in Canada. Don't get me wrong-it is far from perfect! However, I know that if my family or myself become ill or are injured, we can still access excellent healthcare. I will not go into what is wrong with this system in this comment-promise.
![]() The one thing that boggles my mind, at the moment, is that people are unwilling or far too complacent (dare I say lazy) and do not advocate for their own care. Yes, I rely that the doctor(and or specialist) I seek medical treatment and advice from is an expert, however, I have an obligation to inform myself and make choices about my health and care. There is no one that can afford to leave decisions about their health to others. This also pertains to ensuring we are making healthy choices everyday- for our mental, emotional and physical health... *stepping down now* |
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But we can't take care of ourselves fully though, we need the doctors even though their bleeding us dry in these times
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What crap article...
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Yup, sob story. If we are talking money here I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say non-citizens are responsible for this sort of thing even moreso than people like Mary without regard to the "humiliation". I'd be willing to bet Mindee would support this. Quote:
Yeah, people are pissed off and aren't listening to these lying filthy politicians. Boo fucking hoo. Quote:
Then make the insurance companies non-profit again. Fixes that issue. Quote:
Pharmaceutical companies over-charging for medications? Noooo... lol Quote:
John Edwards. One of YOUR people, bleeding-heart columnist. Quote:
Ah, anyone who doesn't agree with Obama is a racist. How very fucking convienient. Anyone want to explain to me WTF RACE HAS TO DO WITH THIS?!?!?! I'm "working class", I'm no Republican, and I don't give a shit that our president is half-black. It has nothing to do with him being a puppet. Fuck yeah. If you don't like it, get the fuck out.
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I knew this article would raise some blood pressure.
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As for the far from perfect, I agree, I am also embarrassed by the woman appearing in the TV ads in the states saying she had to go there to get neurosurgery for a tumour, very embarrassed.
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*hearing a mass choir behind me*
You damn right! The United States Health Care system is truly criminal! Why should a simple surgery cost a person $10,000 like it did one of my friends last fall? And why the high bill? Because he stayed in the hospital for one week. Even if you DID have health insurance it makes you not want to ever get sick - or worse -- if you felt bad, you want to say, "Fuck it. Push me in the pine box, now. It'll be less expensive that way int he long run!" |
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Hmmm...Obamacare. Why would companies continue to offer to pay for insurance when the govt can do it for free and "so much better"? If this socialized healthcare bill passes, my company may cancel my insurance and then what do I get to do? Yup, stand in line behind a damn Mexican. Sounds real peachy to me. So bring it on. Loving this socialism thing.
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Well...
Ralph Nader warned us. He was right too! |
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Ralph Nader warned us about what?
The present medical insurance? The universal health care bill?
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He's probably referring to what Nader has been preaching about involving insurance and pharmaceutical companies for years. How they lobby politicians, etc.
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exactly. I posted a response but my screen finally pooped out and I have to use my laptop now.
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I have chronic health problems that keep me from working. I need a job to pay to have my health problems addressed. Catch-22. Round and round it goes, all the while, I remain unemployed and sick.
I have a few $2000+ emergency room bills for things as simple as sinusitis (which I get frequently). I have more to say on this, so I'll be back, but I have a few to which I must attend. |
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there is a great video you can see here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVnSOtI9Hzc
but the one thing that is important in this is Projections show that by 2016, premiums for employer health care plans will increase by 85 percent. The net effect of that is that employers will simply drop employee health care plans. If employers do maintain their plans, employees with histories of physical illness will be the first to lose their jobs because their bad health will increase premium costs for their employer. Employers in a veiled kind of way will be asking new questions when they interview job applicants. The new questions will center around past health problems, smoking history, weight management history, and even family health history. The new criteria for hiring will not only be skill and qualifications. The health history of employees and their family will be equally as important I do not doubt that this is a possibility, and it scares me.
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Thanks for the vid. and you are right the above statement scares me too. When excepting a job in The Netherlands, you never discuss health care. You get it. Or you have been getting it from day 1. In the US, you have to worry about it constantly. I work for a Federal agency (USDA Forestry Service) and I still have to fight over what is covered and what is not. It is ridiculous. As long as I keep this job till retirement, I will not have to worry about the above questions. I do feel sad for the younger generation that will be subjected to this.
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That is old news. This has been going on for eons. We all know this. Nader just decided to openly let everyone know.
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Yea Nader is a good guy. He knows that he will never be elected he just wants to get the big issues out there. Keep your eye on his last running mate. Matt Gonzales. He wasn't given a chance in the SF mayoral election but he ended up causing a runoff between him a Gavin Newson. He has a history of maybe not winning but the issues he brings up usually get addressed. That is all that really matters not weather it is Joe Blow or Suzie Q Public.
Two thousand dollars for an ER visit? WOW! I remember when I would sprain an ankle and it would cost 150 bucks! I just got my healthcare back from the ex wife and I am grateful for that. I thanked her for helping out. Looks like she will help with the rent too so things aren't as bad now. |
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Gah, I just now saw this thread and I'm too tired to respond coherently.
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I guess really the main reason I'm against government run healthcare is the slippery slope it puts the country on.
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Reading the stories in the newspaper over the last couple of months about the US care system makes me sooooooooooo glad we have the NHS, for all its faults.
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Be careful, US gonna be a socialist country
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This issue get's my vote for dumbest reason to freak out of the year.
It doesn't matter what our health care policy is, we're all gonna get fucked on it one way or another, because we are all different. Oh, you notice how nothing is cured anymore. It's treated. What was the last thing we cured. Polio? There's no money in cures, there's only money in getting people hooked on pharmaceutical drugs and then overcharging them for it. People need their "medication" like a heroin junkie needs their fix. Health CARE in America. Good gravy, what will they think of next? |
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This is why I no longer have a TV. It will just drive you crazy thinking about all the shit people do to each other. fucking nobles living off the sweat of the serfs. it never ends.
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